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Jesse: Most people, you know, a lot of people talk about the past lives, and things like that, you know, and even if they don't believe in it in some specific way, you know, people have some kind of notion of an eternal soul, right.
Céline: Yeah.
Jesse: Okay. Well, this is my thought. 50,000 years ago, there are not even a million people on the planet. 10,000 years ago, there's like 2,000,000 people on the planet. Now, there's between 5 and 6 billion people on the planet, right? Now, if we all have our own, like, individual, unique soul, right, where do they all come from? Are modern souls only a fraction of the original souls? Because if they are, that represents a 5,000-to-1 split of each soul in just the last 50,000 years, which is like a blip in the earth's time. You know, so, at best, we're like these tiny fractions of people, you know, walking... I mean, is that why we're all so scattered? You know, Is that why we're all so specialized?
Céline: Wait a minute, I'm not sure I ... I don't...
Jesse: Hang on, I know, I know, it's a totally scattered thought, which is kind of why it makes sense. ..
From 'Before Sunrise'...Celine & Jesse...
Interesting thought....
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So finally you got your CD back?
bibs..
cant it be that
1. a 'body-free' soul is indpendent of notion of time.That ways, when there were less people on earth the souls existed but because they didnt have the 'time-property' , they werent really 'waiting' or 'wandering' , just 'existing' in a 'time-less' meaning of the word
2. another way to look at is:
take a programming example (not that I am a nerd)
when we deine new pointers in our code, they could still be assigned to same memory location. pointers may be created may die.. the memory remains the same;
same way,while we are alive, the 'eternity' that we refer to ,or the feeling of which we get is nothing but that supreme being called GOD, of which we all are part of. even memories of past lives are nothing but random 'memory hops(not in programming sense this time)' to lives of other mortal beings.
3. extend the point 2 above and apply to Geeta.
"What did you bring with you, which you have lost?"
It turns out that this applies to not only material things but also to even that concept of 'soul'!!.
Also,
"Whatever you have, you have received from Him.
Whatever you will give, you will give to Him"
whatever we mean by soul 'goes to' God.
4. That sounds really silly rht? Where is 'I' in all of this. What am 'I' for in this world then?
say with me.. " I am an impression of God. I am here for Karma according to my Dharma, to play my role in this world"
5. 2 questions arise
a. Who benefits from my role in this world?
the answer is very simple: "the other impressions of myself(GOD)"
yes dude, all of us are impressions of oursleves .. everbody in a strange 'time-warped' creation called maaya.
thats why it is said "never hurt others" and "never bring wrong thoughts in mind"
b. why this whole effort of living life, working hard, if there is no 'self'. This question even I cant answer except for the clue in the last line of geeta saar that says "Change is the law of the universe" . I am sure answer is hidden somewhere inside this line.
I understand we are being governed by this law, hence this whole cycle of life and death. But why have this damn law in first place is what I cant understand
bibs..
cant it be that
1. a 'body-free' soul is indpendent of notion of time.That ways, when there were less people on earth the souls existed but because they didnt have the 'time-property' , they werent really 'waiting' or 'wandering' , just 'existing' in a 'time-less' meaning of the word
2. another way to look at is:
take a programming example (not that I am a nerd)
when we deine new pointers in our code, they could still be assigned to same memory location. pointers may be created may die.. the memory remains the same;
same way,while we are alive, the 'eternity' that we refer to ,or the feeling of which we get is nothing but that supreme being called GOD, of which we all are part of. even memories of past lives are nothing but random 'memory hops(not in programming sense this time)' to lives of other mortal beings.
3. extend the point 2 above and apply to Geeta.
"What did you bring with you, which you have lost?"
It turns out that this applies to not only material things but also to even that concept of 'soul'!!.
Also,
"Whatever you have, you have received from Him.
Whatever you will give, you will give to Him"
whatever we mean by soul 'goes to' God.
4. That sounds really silly rht? Where is 'I' in all of this. What am 'I' for in this world then?
say with me.. " I am an impression of God. I am here for Karma according to my Dharma, to play my role in this world"
5. 2 questions arise
a. Who benefits from my role in this world?
the answer is very simple: "the other impressions of myself(GOD)"
yes dude, all of us are impressions of oursleves .. everbody in a strange 'time-warped' creation called maaya.
thats why it is said "never hurt others" and "never bring wrong thoughts in mind"
b. why this whole effort of living life, working hard, if there is no 'self'. This question even I cant answer except for the clue in the last line of geeta saar that says "Change is the law of the universe" . I am sure answer is hidden somewhere inside this line.
I understand we are being governed by this law, hence this whole cycle of life and death. But why have this damn law in first place is what I cant understand
A simple explanation can lie in the extinction of other species. I agree that there not many humans earlier .. but there were animals and other species. As we know overtime population of other species is coming down and human population is increasing. So we can say that other species are now taking birth as humans.
anon1: i like the concept of souls lying around waiting for the time-factor to kick in. but let me be frank, didnt have this in mind when i wrote this
anon2: your argument would hold good if you believe that souls are interchangeable which is karma. But the fact is that overall, the number of species per se, is just going on increasing not going down. So wouldnt fully agree with you on that one.
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